Comments on: Wanna get your YapOn http://profectio.com/wanna-get-your-yapon Tue, 16 Mar 2010 19:49:51 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: iyahn http://profectio.com/wanna-get-your-yapon/comment-page-2#comment-147 iyahn Mon, 29 Sep 2008 11:45:41 +0000 http://profectio.com/wanna-get-your-yapon/#comment-147 <a href='#comment-5852' rel="nofollow">@Robert B</a> - Everything online uses cvv otherwise they wouldn't be protected under the verified by Visa standard act. A thing to note is that the CVV code is just one of the many information that scammers steal. IP blocking isnt that effective either as any intelligent scammer knows how to go through that (for the daft ones...I'm not giving you any ideas ;( )<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('147','iyahn'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('147','iyahn','<a href=\'#comment-5852\' rel=\"nofollow\">@Robert B<\/a> -\nEverything online uses cvv otherwise they wouldn\'t be protected under the verified by Visa standard act. A thing to note is that the CVV code is just one of the many information that scammers steal. IP blocking isnt that effective either as any intelligent scammer knows how to go through that (for the daft ones...I\'m not giving you any ideas ;( )'); return false;">Quote</a></div> @Robert B -
Everything online uses cvv otherwise they wouldn’t be protected under the verified by Visa standard act. A thing to note is that the CVV code is just one of the many information that scammers steal. IP blocking isnt that effective either as any intelligent scammer knows how to go through that (for the daft ones…I’m not giving you any ideas ;( )
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]]> By: Robert B http://profectio.com/wanna-get-your-yapon/comment-page-2#comment-146 Robert B Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:23:59 +0000 http://profectio.com/wanna-get-your-yapon/#comment-146 I, too, was charged $20 by Yapon fraudulently. At first my anger was directed towards Yapon, but then I looked at some of the other fraudulent charges: two for an online game company, and one from Microsoft. I think I know what's happening. Kids (or adult evil-doers) get a hold of your credit card number. They then make a lot of long distance cellphone calls, most likely international calls -- when I was a kid, I knew kids who would do this regularly by using stolen calling card codes. My particular kid then registered with an online game, and (I think) also purchased a Vista license. So I don't think this is Yapon's fault per se, unless you want to blame Yapon for providing a cheap calling option and very little security (CVV, anyone?).<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('146','Robert B'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('146','Robert B','I, too, was charged $20 by Yapon fraudulently. At first my anger was directed towards Yapon, but then I looked at some of the other fraudulent charges: two for an online game company, and one from Microsoft. I think I know what\'s happening. Kids (or adult evil-doers) get a hold of your credit card number. They then make a lot of long distance cellphone calls, most likely international calls -- when I was a kid, I knew kids who would do this regularly by using stolen calling card codes. My particular kid then registered with an online game, and (I think) also purchased a Vista license.\n\nSo I don\'t think this is Yapon\'s fault per se, unless you want to blame Yapon for providing a cheap calling option and very little security (CVV, anyone?).'); return false;">Quote</a></div> I, too, was charged $20 by Yapon fraudulently. At first my anger was directed towards Yapon, but then I looked at some of the other fraudulent charges: two for an online game company, and one from Microsoft. I think I know what’s happening. Kids (or adult evil-doers) get a hold of your credit card number. They then make a lot of long distance cellphone calls, most likely international calls — when I was a kid, I knew kids who would do this regularly by using stolen calling card codes. My particular kid then registered with an online game, and (I think) also purchased a Vista license.

So I don’t think this is Yapon’s fault per se, unless you want to blame Yapon for providing a cheap calling option and very little security (CVV, anyone?).

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]]> By: iyahn http://profectio.com/wanna-get-your-yapon/comment-page-2#comment-145 iyahn Wed, 24 Sep 2008 20:16:09 +0000 http://profectio.com/wanna-get-your-yapon/#comment-145 In case you haven't noticed, I hate scammers with a passion. ;(<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('145','iyahn'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('145','iyahn','In case you haven\'t noticed, I hate scammers with a passion. ;('); return false;">Quote</a></div> In case you haven’t noticed, I hate scammers with a passion. ;(
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]]> By: iyahn http://profectio.com/wanna-get-your-yapon/comment-page-2#comment-144 iyahn Wed, 24 Sep 2008 20:11:04 +0000 http://profectio.com/wanna-get-your-yapon/#comment-144 <a href='#comment-5813' rel="nofollow">@Christie Adams</a> - As helpful as a combination of suggestions would be, being done as an open discussion would only cause an undoing to whatever awesome strategies we put out. Because all a scammer would have to do is see the openly posted "strategy of how to stop scammers" and if he/she is intelligent enough (as they would need to have some level of it to thrive at what they do) they could easily come up with a counter. That's kinda like going to war and openly broadcasting where your spies are going to be for the enemy to find.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('144','iyahn'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('144','iyahn','<a href=\'#comment-5813\' rel=\"nofollow\">@Christie Adams<\/a> -\n\nAs helpful as a combination of suggestions would be, being done as an open discussion would only cause an undoing to whatever awesome strategies we put out. Because all a scammer would have to do is see the openly posted \"strategy of how to stop scammers\" and if he\/she is intelligent enough (as they would need to have some level of it to thrive at what they do) they could easily come up with a counter.\n\nThat\'s kinda like going to war and openly broadcasting where your spies are going to be for the enemy to find.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> @Christie Adams -

As helpful as a combination of suggestions would be, being done as an open discussion would only cause an undoing to whatever awesome strategies we put out. Because all a scammer would have to do is see the openly posted “strategy of how to stop scammers” and if he/she is intelligent enough (as they would need to have some level of it to thrive at what they do) they could easily come up with a counter.

That’s kinda like going to war and openly broadcasting where your spies are going to be for the enemy to find.

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]]> By: iyahn http://profectio.com/wanna-get-your-yapon/comment-page-2#comment-143 iyahn Wed, 24 Sep 2008 19:54:49 +0000 http://profectio.com/wanna-get-your-yapon/#comment-143 <a href='#comment-5786' rel="nofollow">@NotImpressed</a> - I used to work for an e-commerce company that had the same problem. This clause would be necessary because if not stated, EVERYONE could simply say the use of their card was unauthorized even if it wasn't, consequently bankrupting the company. The problem is who is stealing your bank information in the first place, and this is not necessarily been done by the company in question. Believe it or not, your card information sometimes get leaked from WITHIN your bank. Scamming is a multi-million dollar industry in itself.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('143','iyahn'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('143','iyahn','<a href=\'#comment-5786\' rel=\"nofollow\">@NotImpressed<\/a> -\n\nI used to work for an e-commerce company that had the same problem. This clause would be necessary because if not stated, EVERYONE could simply say the use of their card was unauthorized even if it wasn\'t, consequently bankrupting the company.\n\nThe problem is who is stealing your bank information in the first place, and this is not necessarily been done by the company in question. Believe it or not, your card information sometimes get leaked from WITHIN your bank. Scamming is a multi-million dollar industry in itself.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> @NotImpressed -

I used to work for an e-commerce company that had the same problem. This clause would be necessary because if not stated, EVERYONE could simply say the use of their card was unauthorized even if it wasn’t, consequently bankrupting the company.

The problem is who is stealing your bank information in the first place, and this is not necessarily been done by the company in question. Believe it or not, your card information sometimes get leaked from WITHIN your bank. Scamming is a multi-million dollar industry in itself.

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]]> By: Christie Adams http://profectio.com/wanna-get-your-yapon/comment-page-2#comment-133 Christie Adams Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:26:26 +0000 http://profectio.com/wanna-get-your-yapon/#comment-133 The greater issue at work here is how to create better systems to prevent online fraud. If YapON is indeed a legitimate company, it appears to be one that's been systematically used to commit fraud by an outside party. The bigger question is: what can companies do to ensure the safety of their online operating systems? Anyone have suggestions?<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('133','Christie Adams'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('133','Christie Adams','The greater issue at work here is how to create better systems to prevent online fraud.\n\nIf YapON is indeed a legitimate company, it appears to be one that\'s been systematically used to commit fraud by an outside party.\n\nThe bigger question is: what can companies do to ensure the safety of their online operating systems? Anyone have suggestions?'); return false;">Quote</a></div> The greater issue at work here is how to create better systems to prevent online fraud.

If YapON is indeed a legitimate company, it appears to be one that’s been systematically used to commit fraud by an outside party.

The bigger question is: what can companies do to ensure the safety of their online operating systems? Anyone have suggestions?

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]]> By: KevinNGeorgia http://profectio.com/wanna-get-your-yapon/comment-page-2#comment-134 KevinNGeorgia Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:48:47 +0000 http://profectio.com/wanna-get-your-yapon/#comment-134 They must still be up to it.. They tried to charge $20 to my Suntrust Visa on the 15th.. Had to close the card and get a new one..<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('134','KevinNGeorgia'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('134','KevinNGeorgia','They must still be up to it.. They tried to charge $20 to my Suntrust Visa on the 15th.. Had to close the card and get a new one..'); return false;">Quote</a></div> They must still be up to it.. They tried to charge $20 to my Suntrust Visa on the 15th.. Had to close the card and get a new one..
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]]> By: Mark http://profectio.com/wanna-get-your-yapon/comment-page-2#comment-135 Mark Wed, 17 Sep 2008 03:42:11 +0000 http://profectio.com/wanna-get-your-yapon/#comment-135 I received a call from VISA security today and they said I had a $1.00 charge from itunes and a $20 dollar charge from YAPON. I didn't make either of these charges and I guess VISA is catching on because they denied the YAPON charge. I still had to cancel my card and I'm not very happy about it. Sounds like the crooks really like YAPON. It probably has to do with the fact that using YAPON would allow one to stay off the grid.<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('135','Mark'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('135','Mark','I received a call from VISA security today and they said I had a $1.00 charge from itunes and a $20 dollar charge from YAPON. I didn\'t make either of these charges and I guess VISA is catching on because they denied the YAPON charge. I still had to cancel my card and I\'m not very happy about it.\n\nSounds like the crooks really like YAPON. It probably has to do with the fact that using YAPON would allow one to stay off the grid.'); return false;">Quote</a></div> I received a call from VISA security today and they said I had a $1.00 charge from itunes and a $20 dollar charge from YAPON. I didn’t make either of these charges and I guess VISA is catching on because they denied the YAPON charge. I still had to cancel my card and I’m not very happy about it.

Sounds like the crooks really like YAPON. It probably has to do with the fact that using YAPON would allow one to stay off the grid.

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]]> By: NotImpressed http://profectio.com/wanna-get-your-yapon/comment-page-2#comment-139 NotImpressed Sat, 13 Sep 2008 18:19:16 +0000 http://profectio.com/wanna-get-your-yapon/#comment-139 Ok - I got the $20 hit too. It doesn't matter to me if they had a CVC code or not - the charge is unauthorized. My Visa company..Regents who is EXCELLENT by the way...is refunding the charge, closing the account and re-opening with a different account number. If all these charges are occurring and Yapon is legit - then why does their weasel clause clearly state that who charges are owed regardless if made by you, someone else and with OR without your consent. It seems to me they're a front for fishing/hacking site or source. Enron looked pretty damn legitimate before they fleeced the country, remember?<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('139','NotImpressed'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('139','NotImpressed','Ok - I got the $20 hit too. It doesn\'t matter to me if they had a CVC code or not - the charge is unauthorized. My Visa company..Regents who is EXCELLENT by the way...is refunding the charge, closing the account and re-opening with a different account number. If all these charges are occurring and Yapon is legit - then why does their weasel clause clearly state that who charges are owed regardless if made by you, someone else and with OR without your consent. It seems to me they\'re a front for fishing\/hacking site or source. Enron looked pretty damn legitimate before they fleeced the country, remember?'); return false;">Quote</a></div> Ok – I got the $20 hit too. It doesn’t matter to me if they had a CVC code or not – the charge is unauthorized. My Visa company..Regents who is EXCELLENT by the way…is refunding the charge, closing the account and re-opening with a different account number. If all these charges are occurring and Yapon is legit – then why does their weasel clause clearly state that who charges are owed regardless if made by you, someone else and with OR without your consent. It seems to me they’re a front for fishing/hacking site or source. Enron looked pretty damn legitimate before they fleeced the country, remember?
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]]> By: Myron Rogers http://profectio.com/wanna-get-your-yapon/comment-page-2#comment-136 Myron Rogers Sun, 07 Sep 2008 17:02:43 +0000 http://profectio.com/wanna-get-your-yapon/#comment-136 It has happened to me twice. I even went to my bank and cancelled my old bank cards and had new ones issued and they still found out what they were and charged another $20.00 on my account on September 2nd. WHO are these people?<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('136','Myron Rogers'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('136','Myron Rogers','It has happened to me twice. I even went to my bank and cancelled my old bank cards and had new ones issued and they still found out what they were and charged another $20.00 on my account on September 2nd. WHO are these people?'); return false;">Quote</a></div> It has happened to me twice. I even went to my bank and cancelled my old bank cards and had new ones issued and they still found out what they were and charged another $20.00 on my account on September 2nd. WHO are these people?
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